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Question – Beloved Master, Over the past ten years I am again and again reminded of the words of Kahlil Gibran: “Man cannot reap love until after sad and revealing separation and bitter patience and desperate hardship.” Please comment.

Osho – It is true about Kahlil Gibran, but not true about love. Kahlil Gibran suffered much despair, anguish. He was not what you find him in his immensely important books, THE PROPHET, THE GARDEN OF THE PROPHET, and JESUS, THE SON OF MAN. Kahlil Gibran was just the opposite.

And that is true about almost all the so-called great artists, painters, poets, sculptors, musicians, dancers. They are trying to fulfill their unfulfilled life in writing poetry, literature. That literature simply signifies their dream, not their reality.

Never meet any man like Kahlil Gibran. Read his book, THE PROPHET — it is immensely beautiful — but avoid Kahlil Gibran himself, because you will be very much disappointed, for the simple reason that you cannot believe that this man has produced one of the classics of the whole of history. His book stands like an Everest, but he himself lies deep down in the dark valley of despair, existential meaninglessness: angry about life, angry with life, angry about everything. And the reason is simple. It is a psychological truth that whatever you miss in your life, you fulfill in your dreams. Your dreams show what you are missing in your life.

You can try small experiments and you will be able to see it. Just fast one day, and in the night you can be certain of having a great feast in your dreams — all delicious foods, perhaps an invitation from the king, or the president in the White House. Your dream shows that during the day you have been hungry. These creative people are able to put their dreams into their writings — but they are their dreams.

So what Kahlil Gibran says about love is the experience of a man who wanted to love but could not love. He could not love because of his ego. The first need of love is that you should put aside your ego; and artists, poets, painters, musicians, are very egoistic people.

Kahlil Gibran could not put his ego aside. It was not love that became his despair, it was his ego that would not allow him freedom to move into the world of love. He was chained. The longing for love and being chained to the ego created the whole tension, the anguish of his life. He has to be pitied. He is certainly one of the greatest geniuses of this century, but that does not make him a great lover. The very fact that he was a great genius helped him to go on nourishing his ego. He never could become innocent like a child — of which he talks again and again in his writings. That is his dream.

So remember, while you are reading books written by unenlightened people, looking at paintings, sculpture, architecture made by unenlightened people, beware. These people were not blissful people themselves. They were capable of projecting their dreams, but they were not able to transform their dreams into a living reality within their own being. They were utter failures as far as their own being is concerned.

Love does not need you to go into depression, despair, no — just the opposite. Love needs you to go into silence, into peace, into meditativeness, into a tremendous rejoicing — rejoicing just in the fact that you are alive. And out of this rejoicing, this dance, love radiates.

According to Kahlil Gibran’s statement, before you reach love you have to pass through hell. Strange training… a great school to teach love! And a man who has been in despair, depression, anguish, anxiety, will become farther and farther away from love.

No, if you want to experience love you have to pass through your inner paradise. You have to become centered, you have to become so peaceful that small things of life make you dance. Just a roseflower dancing in the wind, in the rain, in the sun — and something in you starts dancing with it. You are ready. You have graduated from the school of paradise; now love is your reward.

So I contradict Kahlil Gibran absolutely and categorically, because it goes against my existential experience. I have been through my own paradise, and after that only the fragrance of love remains. You are so blissful that you would like to bless the whole world.

Kahlil Gibran is absolutely wrong. But what he is saying is his own experience, and he never graduated from hell. He never could manage to be a loving human being. He was always sad, always a long face, always angry — as if he was against existence itself, as if he wanted to ask existence, “Why have you chosen me to be born and suffer?”

If you want to write poetry about love, follow Kahlil Gibran. If you want to experience love, then listen carefully to what I am saying to you.

Source – Osho Book “From Bondage to Freedom”

My take: pretty good words, but in the end Osho seems to himself fall into the ego trap. In the end, Osho dies. But his words live. So do Khalil Gibran’s. And, at least in this case Khalil rings truer. You cannot experience love if you have not experienced separation. When this concept is sung, it is sung in bilawal. There are different colors of life and Osho in saying there is only one choice that people have sounds wrong. I believe in choice. You can choose to sing in raag Bhairavi or bilawal and experience love after the suffering of separation. Or you can experience love in Raag Ramkali – in bliss.

How is it possible that all artists and poets are egoistic. True artists and poets are nothing but their art or poetry. They are so well immersed in their works that there is no difference in their art and their own being.

How can a prophet declare himself that he is a prophet. That ego blurs any love he/she may have. A prophet if truth realizes that the prophets of all prophets is the same. Gur gur eko, says Guru Nanak. The teacher of all teachers is one.

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  • Avikal says:

    “How can a prophet declare himself that he is a prophet.”
    Who would then? The people? the crowd? Is they were so capable of seeing the divinity and prophet, then the prophet isn’t needed in the first place. It is just our good moral upbringing that makes us think like this. We are so afraid to sound egoistical. Maybe for a man who has transcended the ego…the question doesn’t even come that saying he is the prophet is egoistical. Who is there to judge?

    “That ego blurs any love he/she may have. A prophet if truth realizes that the prophets of all prophets is the same. Gur gur eko, says Guru Nanak. The teacher of all teachers is one.”

    This is the whole point that you missed, Osho says until there is ego …there cannot be love…and when he says love…i think he is definitely talking of something other than the relational thing we experience.
    If we go by what Guru Nanak says, Then the why not directly connect to the One Guru the Waheguru…why make gurudwaras and make a new sect or religion hmmm? The need for the Guru Granth Sahib becomes redundant then…
    dont you think its strange that when the God is there as the teacher, why should one see the mortal man or the Guru?

    Wish you a good journey of your soul…May you find the clarity that liberates.

  • Avikal says:

    Gibran-“Man cannot reap love ….(until) …..after sad and revealing separation and bitter patience and desperate hardship.” and you write “You can choose to sing in raag Bhairavi or bilawal and experience love after the suffering of separation. Or you can experience love in Raag Ramkali – in bliss.”

    Do you see where is the difference in understanding?

    “How is it possible that all artists and poets are egoistic. “True artists and poets” are nothing but their art or poetry. They are so well immersed in their works that there is no difference in their art and their own being.”

    A thought when immature is just like a fruit unripe that when plucked and tasted gives nothing but bad after taste. The thing is Ego and Love are some of those subtle things that if taken very lightly lead to blundering conclusions. If the artist reaches the stage of “No-I”, then he is a free soul. A jivan Mukta…do you see jeevan Mukta artists around you? Unbounded and completely free? again go back to Lao Tse quote 🙂

  • Avikal says:

    “But his words live. So do Khalil Gibran’s. And, at least in this case Khalil rings truer. ”
    They ring truer because of the similarity of experience and not because of existential reality. Because, we are on the same experiential level as Gibran, we feel his words resonate some kind of truth i.e. our experience. If one has similarity with an enlightened soul, then the difference disappears. What is there to say or ask then?
    “You cannot experience love if you have not experienced separation.”
    The question is : What Love? Human relationships? desires?
    separation is the feeling of Mind. Does it have a meaning in the realm of Beyond the mind, If there is such a thing?
    “When this concept is sung, it is sung in bilawal. There are different colors of life and Osho in saying there is only one choice that people have sounds wrong.I believe in choice. ”
    True, the Unity can be approached in many ways but the ends are always tied to one. The choice that we see is the segregation of the possibilities by the mind. The choice is not the end but a means. I think what he tries to convey is that you can approach love by many means but every path will eventually lead inward and not outwards. The choice is there!

  • Avikal says:

    “My take:
    pretty good words, but in the end Osho seems to himself fall into the ego trap. ”

    Read the following lines if you want to see the inaptness of the above statement

    “When goodness is lost, it is replaced by morality.”
    “Without Darkness, there can be no Light.”
    “The usefulness of a pot comes from its emptiness.”
    “The best people are like water, which benefits all things and does not compete with them. It stays in lowly places that others reject. This is why it is so similar to the Way.”
    “When people see some things as beautiful, other things become ugly. When people see some things as good, other things become bad.”
    “Try to change it and you will ruin it. Try to hold it and you will lose it.”
    “Those who know do not say. Those who say do not know.”
    “A journey of a thousand miles starts under one’s feet.”
    “The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be.”
    — Laozi, Tao Te Ching
    If you understood, then we move forward(cont…)

  • sueshan1234 says:

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